1. Sir Steven Runciman on the First Crusade
Reasons
for the Crusade
Runciman stresses that the first Crusade was born
from the zeal of Pope Urban II in attempting to mend the damaged relationship between
the West and the Byzantium Empire. This relationship had been gradually
deteriorating, culminating with the excommunication of Byzantine by the papal
legate and the excommunication of the Latin West by the patriarch of
Constantinople in 1054. Pope Urban began his effort to better these relations
by raising the ban of excommunication of the emperor with resulted the
restoration of diplomatic and religious relations. In an effort to further
strengthen the relations with the Byzantine’s Pope Urban II overreacted to the
emperors call for western recruits to aid his fight with the Turks. Pope Urban
II preached a Crusade with the aims of raising a Christian army to aid the
Byzantines and in this he succeeded.
Impact of
the First Crusade
This
Crusading army greatly damaged relations between the Latin West and the
Byzantines despite the good intention of Pope Urban II. The vast differences in
religious practices and ideologies present between the Roman and Orthodox
Churches generated resentment between the Latin West and the Byzantine Empire
with:
- The difference in Orthodox ritual that were proclaimed as strange and hardly Christian by the Crusaders.
- The Byzantine’s tolerance of Muslims shown by allowing a Mosque in Constantinople and by being content with Egyptian Fatimid control of Palestine was seen by the West as heretical and supportive of the infidel.
- The Chirsitan attempt to convert the Ortodox Christains of Jerusalem after its capture and in doing so completely disregarding their pre-existing ecclesiastical hierarchy.
- The disregard for the emperor’s claim to the ex-byzantine city of Antioch where instead of returning it to the Byzantines the Norman Bohemond named himself master of the city and removed the Orthodox patriarch replacing him with a Latin of his choice.
Although Pope Urban II’s crusade succeeded in
capturing the Holy Land it resulted in the emphasising of the differences
between the Western and Eastern Christians resulting in a breakdown of relations
between the Latin West and Byzantine contrary to the intent of Pope Urban II.
--Nathan
2. What does
Steven Runciman mean when he refers to a ‘melancholy pile of misunderstandings’
throughout the First Crusade?
Runciman
attributes that gross misunderstandings occurred during the events of the First
Crusade led to eventual fallout between the Latin West and the Byzantine
Empire.
Pope
Urban first attempted to improve relations between East and West. The
Byzantine Emperor, Alexius Comnenus wanted the West to send troops to join his
own army to reclaim Anatolia. However
the Pope misunderstood this to be to send Western armies to work alongside
Byzantine troops. This was not Alexius goal as he would have no control over foreign
armies. The Pope
also thought that this request for aid meant conquering all Muslim lands, not
just retaking Anatolia has Alexius intended. When
Crusading armies reached the Byzantine Empire, they were disappointed in the
Byzantines response (as large Crusading armies were not what they wanted). They
accepted that while the Emperor was leader of the Christian East they could not
understand his indifference towards the Holy Land. This misunderstanding was a
fundamental issue that caused numerous problems.
The
Crusaders lacked discipline, causing trouble. Western
Europeans would not blame themselves if anything went wrong (except for the
English who in a way embraced this). They attributed blame to the Byzantines
and their emperor creating conflict and deterioration in
relations. For
instance the failure of Peter the Hermit was blamed on the emperor. When
Nicaea surrendered to the Byzantines the Crusaders were forbidden from looting
which outraged them as they could not see the worth in the city. Bohemond
the Norman wanted Antioch for the West instead of it returning to Byzantine
hands. He made life difficult for Byzantines marching with his army to the
point they withdrew.
At Antioch
when the Crusaders army requested aid from the Byzantines. The Byzantines
agreed but when they heard from a knight the siege was pointless they turned
back. Despite later tacking Antioch the Crusaders regarded this as treacherous. The
Byzantines were accommodating of other religions while the Crusaders did not
understand other religious practices and hence disliked them.
Crusaders
would place Western men in positions traditionally held by Eastern Orthodox
Christians. Such examples include installing Latin patriarchs in Palestine and
Antioch. As a
response to this the Byzantines wanted to restore Greek hierarchies.
Upon his
return to the West, Bohemond persuaded the new Pope that the Byzantine were
disloyal to Christendom resulting in a campaign against and eventual defeat by
the Byzantines. The
Westerners could not understand how the East could be tolerant of Muslims.
All these
factors resulted in the West feeling the East was a traitor to Christendom.
Some
questions to consider:
Would the
Crusades have at all occurred if the Pope Urbans’ misunderstanding of the
Byzantine Empires goals had never had happened? Can the First Crusade be
attributed to have been caused by a minsunderstanding? Who would
be mostly to blame for the misunderstandings? Is it
surprising that despite these fundamental misunderstandings that the First
Crusade succeeded at all?
--Stuart
3. Jonathan Riley-Smith asks whether or not we can consider
‘Crusading an Act of Love’, what does he mean by this?
Jonathan Riley-Smith examines love on a number of levels and
in differing contexts. Particularly, he addresses how it underpinned the
motivation of the crusades and how it formed a justification for the Papacy.
Riley-Smith argues that crusading was an act of love by
examining the way it was preached, by the clergy, to the knightly class. He
proposes this idea of ‘caritas’ meaning charity or Christian love and links it
to the objective of the crusades through the second great commandment of loving
one’s neighbour as oneself. Hence, it is
an action of love to give up one’s property and travel to the East in the pursuit
of helping one’s Byzantium cousins.
The audiences addressed by popes and preachers saw this love
of God in terms of a feudal relationship and this was utilised by the
preachers. The suggestion that Christ was a king who had lost his inheritance
or ‘haereditas’ of the Holy Land, to non-Christians, made it the obligation of
his subjects to fight for its recovery. This idea of love, in relation to
earthly notions, was expanded upon to include the desiring of his honour and
glory as a form of love, comparable to the way a vassal desires the honour and
glory of his lord. Hence, by presenting theology in everyday terms, the ideas
of loving God and loving one’s neighbour can become a motivation and
justification for crusading.
However, this love of neighbour is one-dimensional and a
simplification, and one that was used to make crusader rhetoric accessible to a
wider audience. Riley-Smith continues by exploring how loving one’s neighbour
implied all of mankind, including enemies, and how this idea is compatible with
the violence of the crusades. The violence of the crusades can be perceived as
violence motivated by love, due to the argument that the violence punished sin.
Therefore, the crusaders were acting out of love when they killed because they
were correcting the sins of nonbelievers, and so this love is a disciplinary
force. Hence, through exploring crusading as an act of love,
Riley-Smith reveals the complexity of the Church’s position, yet this was not
fully comprehended by the laity.
Source: Louise Riley-Smith and Jonathan Riley-Smith, The Crusades, idea and reality, 1095-1274,
(London: Arnold, 1981).
--Gian
4. What evidence does Riley-Smith use to argue that a
theological notion of love underpinned crusading?
Acts of love underpinning crusading are said to be love for
Christ, love for thy neighbour and love for thy enemy.
Evidence presented for loving Christ:
- Pope Innocent III: If God underwent death for man, ought man to question for dying for God?
- Pope Innocent III: “Let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me”
- Pope Innocent III: “You receive a soft and gentle cross; he bore one that was sharp and hard”
- Cardinal Odo: “It is a clear sign that a man burns with love of God and zeal for God when he leaves country, processions, house, children and wife, going overseas in the service of Jesus Christ”
- Pope Innocent III: “Will not Jesus … condemn you for the vice of ingratitude… if you neglect to help him”
Some questions to consider about these examples are what
people think about them. Are they truly about love? Is this just rhetoric from
the Church? IS the Church using love of Christ in this manner to compel people
to go on crusades through making it an obligation to show ones love for Christ?
Perhaps consider who said these quotes?
Evidence for love for thy neighbour
- Pope Innocent II: “Greater love than this no man hath, that a man lay down his life for his friend”
- Pope Alexander III: “it would be difficult to find a field of action in which this charity could be expressed with more glory with regard to virtue … than in aid to relieve the needs of the Church in the East and the faithful of Christ”
- Pope Innocent III: “How does a man love according to divine precept his neighbour as himself, knowing that his Christian brothers in faith and in name are held by the perfidious Muslims…”
- Pope Adrian IV: “they do not fear to lay down their lives fir their brothers”
- Pope Urban II: “your full brother, your comrades, your brothers born of the same mother, for you are sons of the same Christ and the same Church” [referring to the Eastern Church]
Is it by coincidence that Popes say all these quotes? Is
this rhetoric? Was love of neighbour and excuse to go to Jerusalem? Did the
west really have such a great love for the East particularly in considering the
events of the forth crusade?
Evidence for love thy enemy
- St Augustine [paraphrased]: the intention behind punishment designed for the purpose of correction had to be to make the offender happy
- St Augustine [paraphrased]: those put to death for their sins suffered no injury from it rather they were already being injured by their sins
- St Augustine [paraphrased]: it is right for a loving state to force heretics from the path of error for their own benefit.
- St Augustine [paraphrased]: love in fact could involve physical correction, in the same way as a father punished a son or a master a servant
Do people agree with this? Does this view align with what
our modern perceptions are of the crusades?
Did Popes also stress this point?
Having looked at these examples form the text, I have
included some other pieces of evidence on Crusades and in my presentation I
will ask you about them. For now let them stimulate discussion here on the blog
about crusading being an act of love as well as the questions above.
Do any of
these following examples fit into any of the categories of love outlined?
Niketas Choniates on the fourth crusade:
“Some of these which were unable to keep their footing on
the splendid and slippery pavement, were stabbed when they fell, so that the
sacred pavement was polluted with blood and filth”
The Archbishop of Tyre, eye-witness, wrote:
"It was impossible to look upon the vast numbers of the slain without
horror; everywhere lay fragments of human bodies, and the very ground was
covered with the blood of the slain. It was not alone the spectacle of headless
bodies and mutilated limbs strewn in all directions that roused the horror of
all who looked upon them. Still more dreadful was it to gaze upon the victors
themselves, dripping with blood from head to foot, an ominous sight which
brought terror to all who met them. It is reported that within the Temple
enclosure alone about ten thousand infidels perished."
--Matthew
5. Chronology
of the Fourth Crusade
- 1198 Pope warns Venetians not to supply Saracens with war related products
- 1200 French nobles plan Fourth Crusade to be undertaken by sea
- Crusaders send envoys to Doge in Venice to negotiate contract for supplies and transport
- Doge agrees Venice will supply transport and food for 4500 horses, 4500 knights and 29000 other men over a period of nine months at a cost of 85000 marks
- The contract will last one year from the day of departure from Venice harbour
- In addition, the Venetians will supply fifty armed galleys if crusaders pay a half share in every conquest.
- 1201 they publicly agreed and set Cairo as their first target
- Messengers are sent to Venice to adjust preparations to meet needs for 4000 Knights and 100,000 men
- 1202 only 1000 knights and about 60,000 men arrive in Venice and are accommodated in island of St Nicholas
- Venetians demand payment for full number of men and horses agreed to in plan
- Crusaders pay what the can, but are 50,000 marks short
- Venetians are angry and threaten to cut crusaders off from all supplies
- Crusaders pay another 14,000 marks, leaving them without means to support themselves
- To protect their reputation, Venetians agree to commence crusade if crusaders will pay the debt of 36,000 marks, out of the loot from their first conquest.
- Winter has set in and it is too late to set out for Cairo, but crusaders can’t afford to stay
- Doge suggests that crusaders take the city of Zara, a rich enemy of Venice.
- In November they march on Zara
- People of Zara negotiate with the Doge to give up their city and wealth in exchange for their lives
- The Doge takes their offer to the Crusade leaders who agree
- They return to accept the offer of Zara, to find that other crusaders have undermined the negotiations and the people of Zara have withdrawn their surrender
- A French abbot, on behalf of the Pope forbids the crusaders to attack Zara, as it is Christian
- Doge pressures the crusaders to attack and they agree
- They attack Zara and after five days, the city surrenders
- After division of loot, the crusaders are still short of money and cannot commence crusade
- Doge suggests that crusaders invade Greece to fund their crusade, using the excuse that they are restoring the rightful heir to the throne
- They invade Greece, restore Alexi to the throne and ask for payment
- Alexi short pays the crusading army. After the division of loot, the crusaders still can’t afford to complete their crusade
- The crusaders threaten Alexi , but he is insulted and refuses to pay
- The crusaders attack Constantinople, but fail to take it
- The clergy urge the crusaders to continue, but also insist all the ‘evil women’ be sent away
- The clergy offer absolution to all who attack the Greeks
- 1204 crusaders sack Constantinople. Murder, rape and pillage ensue
- Relics and Church treasures removed to Latin West
- Cardinals sent by Church, desert Jerusalem and head to Constantinople
- Many pilgrims and natives of Jerusalem follow them
- Cardinals absolve people from their pilgrimage and crusading vows if they stay to defend Constantinople
- Pope is furious because Jerusalem is weakened and relations with the Greeks are unsalvageable.
--Kellie
For my
presentation I will be discussing the controversies which surround the Fourth
Crusade. I will discuss the agreement
concluded between the Crusaders and the Venetians concerning their repayment of
debts and its relationship to the events to come. I will also discuss the sacking of Zara,
attempting to emphasise the irony of an army of Christians, called to arms by
the Pope, sacking a Christian city whilst on crusade; as well as the controversial
events surrounding the sacking of Constantinople. Lastly, I will discuss the outcome of the
Fourth Crusade. This discussion will
include the division of the Byzantine Empire into small, independent states,
the founding of the Latin Empire, and the annexation of some parts by the
Venetian Republic, and how this dismemberment of the Byzantine Empire ultimately
lead to the expansion of the Turkish Sultanates and the spread of Islam into
Europe, at the expense of Christianity. I
will attempt to give this presentation from the point of view of the Papacy and
the Eastern Church, focusing on how the actions of the Crusaders opposed the principle
of Christian fraternity as preached by the Papacy, in regard to their brothers
of the faith in the East, which was one of the major arguments given in support
of the Crusades.
--Nathaniel
--Nathaniel
16 comments:
Two quick notes. 1) please note I'm answering citation queries on the 'citation queries' page, so look there for guidance if you have questions - and feel free to post comments there. 2) not sure if you guys noticed, but Jonathan Jarrett visited us last time we discussed crusades and provided a handy link to a discussion of crusader motives on his blog which may interest you and give you some reference leads. I repost it here in case you missed it the first time.
Kathleen
I found it odd that the crusades were seen as an act of love. Whilst it's true that the crusaders were going forth for God and their neighbours, I find it hard to comprehend the actual feeling of love whilst you're massacring a town full of people. Even if they were non-believers. I guess I see the reason they crusaded more as pride and respect than actual 'love'.
As for the Pope Urban question from Stuart, isn't it possible that even without his misunderstading the First Crusade still would have happened? For some other reason in the future the Crusades probably would have begun as well. Pope Urban just gave a reason for them to start at that particular point in time.
I agree with you Erika because if you look at the crusades from a pragmatic perspective (and by this I mean their actions) rather than the theology and philosophy behind their motivation and justification it is violence and conquering. However, Riley-Smith does say that he limited his discussion to the justification and understanding of the crusades amongst the clergy.
I to struggle to see how they can claim the crusades were an 'act of love' when they killed many innocent people! I understand they love their religion and the whole relgious side to why the crusades started and how they were fighting for God, however their religion is based on love and forgivness yet they are starting wars and killing people.
When considering the Crusades as an act of love, I think we find it difficult to understand in this way as we view love from a modern perspective. Non-Christians were regarded as sinners and thus were on the way to eternal damnation. So could the killing of Non-Christians be seen as saving them from further sin and thus the kindest and most loving thing to do? While I agree this makes no sense in our modern world, back then when they were convinced everything went beyond the physical world does this make sense?
I agree with Erika on Pope Urbans misunderstanding. For it to be the whole hearted cause of the First Crusade to me is a bit far fetched. Rather I see it as an important catalyst in causing the Crusades development.
While the violence seems like it was absolutely horrific (especially in the description Matthew posted), I tend to agree with Stuart about the crusaders possibly believing that they were doing the right thing, however cruel it seems to us. As for Pope Urban's misunderstandings, I don't think they can be attributed as the 'cause' of the First Crusade. I think the really interesting thing about the misunderstandings was that it shows how ideology and Christian belief had changed and evolved over the years along two different paths, considering that Latin Europe and Byzantine were originally one empire.
--Steph K
I think the biggest question I had after reading this weeks readings/blog is did the clergy genuinely believe that encouraging and promoting the Crusades was a way of loving their neighbors, and spreading the word of God? It seems to me that as potentially the most educated sect of society they surely couldn't have interpreted Christian doctrine so belligerently, considering that in essence Christian doctrine encourages people to 'Love one another as I have loved you'. I could just be being slightly too suspicious/skeptical of the churches motives, but it seems like the clergy used the bible as a means of underpinning propaganda to manipulate the public. I think it was in last weeks tute that Kathleen mentioned that around this time in history issues arose when members of the laity got a hold of, and were able to read for themselves the bible, which also makes me think that the clergy weren't convinced their actions were in an entirely Christian spirit.
--Chelsea Dullard
Hey everyone. I know you already have a lot to read and think about this week, but if you can, please try and have a look at the practice exam on Blackboard. If we get time, I'd like to do an exercise using this on Monday, and it will be more effective if you are already prepped.
I too found it very interesting that despite their dispostion to a Christian faith, crusaders were naturally murdering many people.
However, I found that in questioning their motives for joining the crusades, I also took into account the fact that they lacked disipline, and soon began to point the finger if they were to lose a battle.
It seems that while their violence is an outward display of going against the Christian doctrine, their lack of humility and cohesiveness further goes against the concept of 'crusading as an act of love.'
I really liked Gian's summary of how the crusades were justified through love. How St Augustine's writings focussed on finding passages which condoned such violence I feel is significant, due to the provision and justification of the violence that this enabled. It was a very tricky, although effective, form of propaganda that was employed by the church (either intentionally or unintentionally).
Hi all,
The readings and summaries for me, gives a new understanding on the fundamentalist. A charismatic pope with a religious spin and a way with words, such as, “sons take up vengeance, on injury, avenge the destruction of their brothers”. Riley Smith calls this a blood feud, waged against anyone who has harmed the Christian family. Politician Pope Urban entices the city states to go on the first pilgrimage; his crusaders are mainly peasants, with the religious orders of 'in the love of God' 'God is on your side' go kill and plunder. They win back the lands but the cost was a forever stirred up Islam and a dance back and forth for ownership.
The fourth crusade, although it took a lot of planning, more countries got involved, more money need and practice runs, and Venice with ship building and such became wealthy. With the slaughtering of everything and everyone [almost] like the innocents and the peaceful Greek communities, eventually Constantinople was sacked and the Byzantine empires were divided up. Major looting of treasures and ancient relics graced the Latin churches.
Hello everyone
The crusades as an act of love struck me, too, as an odd sort of concept. I definitely agree with what Stuart said about viewing it through a modern perspective; I think we have very different ideas about 'foreigners' and cultures different to our own than people would have had back in the Middle Ages. I think it is interesting how Pope Innocent III (rather ironic name, I feel) emphasised that the 'neighbour' to be loved was Christian, rather than the Muslim. An interesting sort of interpretation of Jesus' words.
The crusade as an act of love is an interesting notion. I can undersatnd that they felt that it was their duty to convert the world to christianity but its hard to understand why they see it as so important to uphold the evangelical aspects of the bible but not those that forbade murder, violence and all the atrocities that came with crusading. It has been noted that it was a different and often very violent and bloody time, but it seems to me that the papcy took what it wanted from the teachings of their religion and failed to recognise the other, arguably more central and important aspects.
-tom
Like mentioned by others above, I too found it interesting to read that crusading was considered an act of love. It seems hard to justify the death of a person in the name of love, and it seems even more hard to come to terms with the clergy encouraging this action. Here, it appears that Christian doctrine may have been misguided in order to accomplish other ulterior motives.
In the readings I noted that it is the clergy saying Crusading is an act of love. We are not told what the average lay person thought. Other readings seem to suggest that redemption was something which highly appealed to the average Crusader. Calling 'Crusading an act of love' seems to me a way the clergy would be able to justify the killing. It does not appear to me that they killed out of their 'love' but rather 'love' was an excuse used.
I also found the notion of the crusades being an act of love interesting (and quite disturbing at first, I probably should have braced myself before reading) I think they probably did think they were doing the right thing at the time (not that I agree with what they did), as misguided as they were, but the word or label of 'love' has been used in so many different contexts contrary to the original intentions of the word. I definitely wouldnt call it love. I thought it was more like 'In order for me to love you, I need you to behave in a way that is pleasing to me so if you think and behave exactly the way I do ill shower you with love but and until then, im going to beat you down until you conform because I really want to love you but I just cant until you believe the things I believe so if youre not going to do what I say willingly im going to have to make you or destroy you - love from the crusaders xoxo'
I thought that it was interesting that theyd use passages in the bible that appeared to condone such violence while ignoring passages such as 'turn the other cheek.' But it comes back I think to what we were talking about a little while ago about the idea of the crusades being a product of an already violent and fearful era. When looking at it from that broader view, it makes sense. It seems like society was sort of like a rubber band ready to snap in a way. I think it had been boiling up and it was only a matter of time before the powers that be boiled over (power which so happened to be in that hands of the church at the time) and used what influence they had in an attempt to relieve the perceived threat to their way of life. And by 'threat' Im talking about the muslims perceived threat of the christians and vice versa (as well as east vs west). Both sides sort of spurred on each other I reckon
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